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Courtesy of Annette Gordon-Reed.

Annette Gordon-Reed will always be most famous for having confirmed, beyond a reasonable doubt, the centuries-old rumors about Thomas Jefferson having had multiple children with a mixed-race woman named Sally Hemings, whom he owned. In 1997, armed with only the analog tools of traditional historiography, she made a resounding case for the relationship inThomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings: An American Controversy。这本书引发了激烈的辩论之后year later by the DNA testing of male descendants in Jefferson’s family, the results of which proved her theories. If that first book showed Gordon-Reed’s willingness to kick against consensus, the next revealed the scope of her historical thinking and writing. InThe Hemingses of Monticello(2008), she reconstructs three generations of the Hemings family, whose lives and genealogies were intertwined with the Jeffersons’. (Sally Hemings herself was the child of Jefferson’s father-in-law, John Wayles, and an enslaved woman named Elizabeth Hemings.) That book won the Pulitzer Prize for History and the National Book Award. Gordon-Reed has been a Guggenheim Fellow, a MacArthur Fellow, and a fellow of the New York Public Library’s Cullman Center. In 2010, President Barack Obama presented her with a National Humanities Medal.

Born in 1958, she grew up in Conroe, Texas, just north of Houston. She witnessed the civil rights era, in its particularly garish Texas colors, up close: when she was six years old, she became the first black student to attend Hulon N. Anderson Elementary. Over the years she has become something of a hero in her hometown, and when she goes back to visit these days, she walks past a mural of herself on the side of a building and a bust at Conroe Founder’s Plaza. Although she has for many years shuttled between New York City and Cambridge, Massachusetts—she is the Carl M. Loeb University Professor at Harvard—she remains fascinated by her home state, where her roots on her mother’s side go back to the 1820s. Her recent memoir,On Juneteenth(2021), tells the story of her years growing up there, and she may someday write another book on the frontier culture of East Texas slavery.

Gordon-Reed出席了达特茅斯和文档了nd prints from the college hanging behind the desk in her Cambridge office. While at Harvard Law School, she met Robert Reed, whom she married in 1984; he is a justice of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. For seven years, Gordon-Reed worked as an attorney, at one time serving as counsel to the New York City Board of Correction, which oversees the city’s jails. In 1987, she gave up practicing law to teach it. When I met her one afternoon last fall, in a glass-walled cafeteria in Cambridge, she told me about a day in 2000 when she had been sitting in her publisher’s office, discussing her proposal for what would becomeThe Hemingses of Monticello。“I realized that I had never really wanted to be a lawyer,” she said. “I wanted to have a lawyer.”

Gordon-Reed仍然,几乎冷漠的风范, though her eyes light up easily. In the past three decades, she has written five books, coedited two, and cowritten one with the American historian and Jefferson specialist Peter Onuf, her longtime friend and collaborator. She has permanently altered the narrative on perhaps the most mythic of the Founding Fathers, pulling him back into the human context of desire and power. She has what she describes as a realistic hopefulness about the future of the United States. The vital thing, she emphasizes, is to “keep faith with those in the past who died hoping for a more perfect union.”

INTERVIEWER

I looked at your Twitter feed and saw that you’ve been playing the piano.

GORDON-REED

I think it was in the fall of 2019 that I got the idea to take up piano again, because I realized that I had, by then, lived longer than my mother—she died at sixty. It was a way of dealing with my feelings about that. She played piano herself and got me into lessons when I was a child. First I took classes with Mrs. Baldwin and Ms. Cavil in Conroe—they were nice teachers and all, but then, you know, it had to be Mrs. Tull, a concert pianist in Huntsville, thirty-five miles away. My parents were spending eight dollars an hour for these lessons, about fifty-five bucks today—money they didn’t really have. I didn’t display an extraordinary talent, but naturally my mother thought I could be a concert pianist. She wanted to expose me to things. We went to plays and concerts at Jones Hall in Houston occasionally. I went to see Arthur Rubinstein there, my first concert of any kind.

INTERVIEWER

Your mother sounds like an unusually cultured person. I may be making assumptions about what was typical for Conroe in the sixties.

GORDON-REED

My mother grew up in pretty good circumstances. Her family was from Texas but she spent much of her childhood living with her great-aunt and her husband in New Orleans. They rented out houses, and at one point owned a rooming house. Jazz musicians would come and stay, people like Noble Sissle. The family had a chauffeur, a butler. My mother was really spoiled. She went to Spelman and to Texas Southern for a master’s degree but didn’t go on to a Ph.D. because she got married and had kids. A cousin of mine, after my brother’s funeral, gave me a program for a play that my mother had been in—Of Mice and Men, at Texas Southern.

INTERVIEWER

What about your father?

GORDON-REED

His mother died when he was eleven, and by the time he was a teenager his father was an invalid. My father joined the army to support his siblings. He had a funeral parlor at one point, and a general store, but he wasn’t cut out to be a businessman. He was the kind of person who would give food away if people didn’t have money.

INTERVIEWER

Did your confidence and drive come from your parents?

GORDON-REED

Both my parents communicated to me that I was a special person. I knew my mother believed that, and because she believed it, so did I. But there was also a sense that the world was opening up for black people in general. There were often documentaries about the black situation playing on television. I remember watching the CBS miniseries Of Black America in my favorite rocking chair, learning that America had been built “on the backs of black people.” That image stuck with me. It could be fun being a young black person at that time, thinking there was work to be done. You had to do things because you wanted to show that black people could do things.

INTERVIEWER

InOn Juneteenth, you write about uncomfortable childhood experiences you had after becoming the first black student to go to a white school in Conroe. You were subjected to anger on the part of racist whites, and even from some black people—in one scene, you describe being punched in the chest by a black kid. Throughout it, though, your tone stays analytical. You don’t mention tears.

GORDON-REED

A lot of the time my perception of those moments really was ana‑lytical, because they just seemed so out there. Crazy, really. Obviously, it was painful when people were cruel to me, but I experienced it with more bewilderment than hurt. I wanted to figure out what made these people tick. I would wonder about certain whites, What is wrong with them? Why carry on this way? I mean, it takes a lot of energy to maintain that kind of anger. As I grew older I sometimes heard hurtful statements from black people who felt that I was trying to be white, or that I had damaged the black community by attending a white school. I understand now that the integration of schools in my district, which my parents had initiated by having me attend Anderson Elementary, changed the balance of power for black students. They were no longer in the care of black teachers—people who lived in their community, went to their churches, or were in their families. There was often insensitivity and outright racism. My brother told me that one day the principal at his school came on over the intercom and said, “Will the two nigra boys who were fighting on the bus today come to my office?” That word, nigra—you don’t hear that so much these days. There was often a sense of the sheer absurdity of it all. We laughed about it.

INTERVIEWER

Looking back, how do you think the experience affected you? You must have known that you were in an unusual position.